what is a "navicular shoe " , how is one made , fitted and explain to me how one works ? it is probably me but every case should be approached on a what suits job , not some bollox " navicular shoe off a shelf
have 1 right now that is taking these shoes by rx by the vet and the vet and i have spoken. explain later
Its raised heels chris and takes pull from ddft..nothing amazing by long shot..same shit the guys thats been around a long time been doing for years..someone made a thick shoe and showed it a vet convention and called it a navic shoe and now vets that dont know better assume its the end all be all ..owners as well..
Yeah, if a vet is called out to diagnose lameness and it is not blatantly obvious what the problem is, then it must be navicular. All joking aside, navicular syndrome is probably the most over diagnosed problem I see. .
I was at a seminar listening to Dr. Bill Moyer head vet at Texas A M. He started his lecture by saying that "There is no such thing as Nivicular Syndrome. It's what Vets say when they don't have any idea what's making the horse lame" He was speaking to a room with about 75 Vets and 75 Farriers.
Well if the vet says "I don't know what's making your horse lame," then the owner might object to paying for a non-diagnosis. Whereas saying the horse has navicular syndrome, they can get away with charging for a non-diagnosis. Follow the money.
I've heard that some vet told a customer that the (quite sound) horse was "pre-nivicular". A local barefooter has been telling folks their horse is pre-laminitic. I guess these diagnosis are true and additionally, they are also pre-brain cancer, pre-heart failure, and pre-hit buy a truck.
Just think about that Bill. Of course there is a Navicular syndrome. It may be difficult to diagnose but is often diagnosed by the absence of other symptoms and pathology but still indicated to a specific area by nerve block and clinical signs. It covers a multitude of symptoms, reasons for the pain, the passage of the conditions, the structures involved, in order to say it doesnt exist, that is caudal heel pain in the distal inter phalangeal joint navicular region, then tell me what it is?
I just asked that question to a vet that I trim her horse for; and she gave a good explanation to it; since I am shoeing a horse with a navicular shoe as rx by another vet~~for another horse which is working; but only few weeks...then horse seems to go off again in both front feet. I'll get back to this later with a post of the shoe...and what she said.
David, He of course knows that there is a pathology of navicular syndrome. He was making a point about about over diagnosis and professional guessing. He mentioned that since his Vet School set up their MRI for horses, they found about 64 structures in the heel area that can be injured and mimic 'nivicular'. He also mentioned that one of his pet peeves was the phrase 'Caudal heel pain'. He asked "As opposed to what , dorsal heel pain?" He recalled a QH that came in for it's yearly check up and xrays and had lesions in the naivcular that one could "Drive a pickup through". The horse apparently hadn't read the latest Vet magazines, and was winning half a million bucks a year running barrels, perfectly sound. What I've found is that what ever the injured structure is in the heel area, the shoeing protocol is generally the same.
MRI's has changed the game in my humble opinion. . Some may not feel that way but it sure can give a leg up on some of those hard cases that have left us puzzled..it can cost a bit but I have seen many times if owners would do it just step up they save money in the end..
