Latest stormy issue for the UK

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by George Geist, Oct 20, 2012.

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    Marc Jerram FdSc AWCF www.thefarrier.co.uk

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    What on earth makes you think that? There are around 3000 registered farriers in this country, enough to service all of the horses here so why would they bin it? The act would have to go through parliament and we have seen how long it is taking to get the hunting with dogs act repealed, we would be years away from something similar happening with an law that has protected and served well the horse in this country. Plus the FRC act would have the backing of Vets, BHS and any other respected organisation.

    What the farriers that moan forget is that the act is there to protect the horse and horseowner not the farrier. The farrier is in control of their own destiny (earnings, skill levels, attitude)
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    travis dupree reed Active Member

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    Lol..marc that's a wild azz concept ..you mean someone standing up and taking ownership of his skills..his earnings and his attitude..
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    chris bunting Well-Known Member

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    Mark it is about control over farriers , the frc regularly admonish farriers for non horse related things , the farriers only public voice has less than 30% membership of registered working farriers , we pay are subscriptions , the frc and all there related depts are only interested in raising revenue ,
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    david kelly Dave Kelly

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    Admonish for non horse related things? Really? What sort of stuff? What business of theirs would anything outside farriery be?
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    david a hall Moderator

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    David all things unprofessional, drugs has been mentioned.
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    Mikel Dawson Active Member

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    Very interesting reading, thanks for the post George.
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    david a hall Moderator

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    What is interesting about that? It made me cringe!!!!!!!!! And I do know the people involved, John I would describe as a friend but he will tell you we agree on nothing!!!
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    DeniseMc Member

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    chris bunting Well-Known Member

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    Denise the man is no bully , and as for the other case there is another side to the story , i personally think he was very harshly treated , fact remains it was a very biased case put before the courts , you have obviously looked on the internet at the FRC hearings , what about the farrier being done over an abcess in a horses foot ? he did not call in a vet , no action against the owner who had known the horse needed attention
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    david kelly Dave Kelly

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    Does the good guy always come across good? Id listen to the view of the guys on here that know him rather than judge on an internet thread.

    As for the second case, doesnt sound good but why would you pull off shoes without the owners knowledge and consent...........unless your owed money??
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    Justin Decker Active Member

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    Remember David she is a barefoot trimmer on a FARRIERS forum.
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    DeniseMc Member

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    I'm not taking anyone's word that someone is or isn't a bully. Great if he isn't, but it's not how it reads.

    To me isn't doesn't matter the reason WHY he pulled the shoes---it's HOW. He knowingly caused suffering--why wasn't he prosecuted by the Horse Protection Agency? Instead, he got a slap on the wrist by the Farrier Protection Agency.
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    DeniseMc Member

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    What about it? The FRC is only reporting about its actions against the farrier--the farrier (or someone practicing farriery illegally), not the owner, is held accountable to the FRC. The owner would be held accountable to the RSPCA--have no idea if the owner was prosecuted?
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    DeniseMc Member

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    a cat among pigeons
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    david a hall Moderator

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    Yep it does sound like i have some dodgy friends :) JohnI have known for years and when I was injured once he was the first on the phone to help. But as I said we can agree on very little but that doesnt negate a friendship.
    Mark is one of my oldest friends of 32 years, In that time he has been a gentleman of the highest order. I have never discussed the case with him nor will I, and wont discuss it here either.
    Those that know me will no I am very loyal and not beond making the odd cock up myself, so I tend not to hold it against others.
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    DeniseMc Member

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    About the only thing that could explain the guy ripping the shoes off like that would be one thing: Alcohol, and lots of it.
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    david a hall Moderator

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    Is that all it would take for you to do it?
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    chris bunting Well-Known Member

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    they say cider can do funny things to you
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    DeniseMc Member

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    did the horses kick and hurt or kill someone he loved? That I might understand, but not condone his actions (they ARE horses after all, that can not just hurt, but can kill). But if it is as the other David implies (your friend might not have been paid) I can't imagine someone being that angry towards a horse to do that-unless alcohol is involved. Seen use of alcohol cause crazy things to happen... But ripping off one front shoe from each horse 2 weeks apart also says there is more going on here than just a one-time drunken fit of anger
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    david a hall Moderator

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    You just keep guessing, you sound great at it. I will for the hard of hearing say again I have not discussed it with mark nor will I. I dont know what went on, and nor will I ever Know, and you sure as hell wont.

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